#thoughts on 8x02

[epiaphany]

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[deanocasgirlie0511]

Wait a minute... Rewatching s7 & s8 Cas episodes and I noticed something.

So in 7x23 Dean and Cas end up in purgatory. Here's their dialogue:

Later in 8x02:

So he changed ALL his memories about Cas.

He preferred not to think that Cas had abandoned him. He thought that he and Cas had fought together, but something had happened to Cas. Maybe he thought that Cas had been taken by the "gorilla-wolves" and maybe that's why he had interrogated them so much about Cas...

[angels-all-sin]

— Fuck Your Lecture on Craft, My People Are Dying

[imakatperson22]

HAHAHAHHA my husband just watched the new ep and he clocked Gina Torres doing the voice over for Emmett’s funeral and we’ve only gotten through a season and a half of lone star so I asked him how he got it immediately and apparently she’s been a voice in Destiny (video game) for over 10 years and he’s just like “I know that voice anywhere” 😂😂😂

[dangerpronebuddie]

when you're so unbelievably irrelevant you're not even worth being used in the emergency sequence and they instead choose to use a child over you. oh temu fans don't make that face he's got maybe 4 minutes of screentime left before the break up and he leaves lmfao.

HELP 😂

Don't despair, he's probably at Gerrard's bedside, like the Good Ole Boy he is.

That kid was phenomenal though, he is the hero of this emergency, sorry Trampoline (no I'm not).

[currentlyuntitled]

finished 8x02. Thought time :3

Adore whatever the fuck Sam and Crowley have going on.

I would die for Linda Tran. 10/10. Adore her.

The shot reverse shot iirc of Crowley, Dean, Crowley when he says "The Winchesters tend to leave people bloody when they don't need them." is driving me insane. I think it's setting up where Dean's character seems to be going really well, with the ruthlessness he needed to survive Purgatory. (If Crowley had meant Dean AND SAM, I think they would have both been shown in this dialogue. This is a purposefully aimed at Dean.)

I am so interested in purgatory and the long lasting effects it seems to have but if the writers aren't scared Dean's flashbacks won't be linear anymore because real flashbacks aren't like that <3

Also I can't tell if it's purposefully really grey as a stylistic choice or if Purgatory is meant to be really grey. I think it's a stylistic choice and I'm not a fan.

I need to write a thesis on this show and it's constantly changing ethics for the Winchesters.

Like, okay, characters change but I would argue that Sam and Dean are both critical of Utilitarianism. Prior to this episode, they're rarely willing to directly hurt someone else for the betterment of others. (Hunting does not count because Sam and Dean do not apply the same value to the life of monsters and humans.)

I was about to be like 'Dean is ooc for being prepared to kill Linda' and then I realised she's possessed and Sam and Dean do not consider possessed humans as humans.

No more Kevin for a while :( Really liked him

[theveganwhoeatsmeat]

eddie blue stealing in every scene is killing me

[youchangedmedestiel]

I always thought that the first "Dean" Cas says here, squating and facing the river, he thinks he is hearing Dean praying to him like he did every night, hence his expression.

He knows what Dean is going to say, like every day, telling him about the monster he killed and that he'll find him where ever he is, because he's not leaving here without him.

TOP 10 DESTIEL SCENES AS VOTED BY MY FOLLOWERS

9. DEAN AND CAS REUNITE IN PURGATORY “Damn, it’s good to see you.”

[ghost-bison]

i became curious and searched up how the name "dalek" came to be:

at first, i thought it must have something to do with the norwegian word "dårlig", which means "bad", because of the doctor's reaction in 2x13 "doomsday" when rose said they were in bad wolf bay ("dårlig ulv stranden" if i'm not mistaken): he thought she'd said "dalek". but if you look up the pronunciation, it sounds more like /dɔːleh/ (approximate english phonetic transcription) than how she said it, /dɑːlɪg/ so i thought, even though the mix-up between "dårlig" and "dalek" was done on purpose and the definition, "bad", would be pretty damn on-the-nose, it's not it. so i did some more research.

apparently, it was terry nation (the guy who invented the daleks and davros in, i guess, 1962) who came up with it. according to him, the name simply "rolled off his typewriter", so it wasn't supposed to mean anything. but like me, he got curious and found out that the word "dalek" is serbo-croatian for "far, distant".

this really pleased me for two separate reasons: first, and this is the most obvious interpretation, the daleks are aliens from a distant world, far from earth. but i mean, to daleks or chelonians or raxacoricofallapatorians or any other alien species, the same can be said for earthlings: we are far, distant from them, and any and all species are far and distant from us.

but! if you think of the other meaning behind "distant", not geographically speaking but culturally/morally speaking, that's when things get interesting: the reason the daleks are the main foe in doctor who is that they are detached, so different from any and every other enemy the doctor and unit and torchwood and the shadow proclamation and such have ever had to fight. they keep surviving and coming back because they are so distant, so alien (in the "bizarre" sense of the word) to all other species.

if you take, for example, us humans, the doctor loves our species because of our capacity for love, forgiveness, change, compassion. you see it in the people he picks: rose, martha, then donna, etc. they represent everything he loves in a human being. everything he needs, everything he misses since his own species, which used to be capable of those feelings too, has gone.

he doesn't pick soldiers and has an aversion toward them, because as much as he pretends to hate it when his companions "wander off", he keeps choosing people whom he knows will wander off, people who will question his orders, people whom he doesn't have to feel or be superior to. whereas soldiers, they are conditioned not to question, and to follow instructions, to do as they are told.

in 1x06 "dalek", when nine realizes that the dalek's gun isn't working, he says "if you can't kill, then what are you good for, dalek? what's the point of you?". then, the dalek tells the doctor, "i am a soldier, i was bred to receive orders".

soldiers, whatever species they are, are too much like daleks: they wouldn't question him. that's why, when he realized he was the last of his species, the dalek turned to the doctor, his greatest enemy ("then what should i do?"), and then rose ("order me to die"), for orders. that's why twelve refused to keep journey blue as his traveling companion in 8x02 "into the dalek": people who don't question orders are dangerous to his lifestyle.

he needs people who go against what he says. not only that, but the doctor is, himself, a soldier of sorts, and sometimes he needs the right orders (1x06 "dalek": "what the hell are you changing into, doctor?" -rose ; "the runaway bride": "doctor, you can stop now"/"sometimes i think you need someone to stop you" -donna ; 4x02 "the fires of pompeii": "not the whole town, just save someone" -donna). else caecilius' family would have died in pompeii. else the doctor would use guns, he would die, he would try to break fixed points in time, he would lose himself.

in that sense, the daleks are as far from the doctor and his children of time as can be. i wrote about it somewhere in a one-shot someday: "the daleks weren’t robots, per se, but they kind of were, for someone like the doctor, or the humans, who both felt everything so deeply when all those monsters knew was hatred".

the daleks are to the doctor what dependence and servitude are to freedom, and in that sense, they are distant.

[deanocasgirlie0511]

It's truly interesting how Dean/Cas relationship changed after s6.

Like in s4 & 5 I see them as friends with insane sexual tension, but s6... it's different. They're not around that much, started bickering way more. Dean is mad, that Cas is hiding something from him, the relationship starts to feel a bit colder, the betrayal...

And then in s7 the turning point happens.

Cas becomes God, Dean is still mad

7x01

doesn't want to do anything but fix Baby, drink and watch porn

And yet, when Cas appears all in blood, asking for help...Dean helps

Then, Cas dies. And Dean's reaction to this, to me tbh it really looks like he lost his friend

But second death...hmmm, reaction is a bit different

7x02

From that exact Cas' death, mourning arc begins.

and subsequent deaths of Cas are getting worse and worse for him, I don't think I'll make a post, there's already enough of that.

So he has nightmares

7x05

Even under the influence of the poisoned burger, he can't stop thinking about him

7x09

He's not the same Dean anymore

Then, he meets Emmanuel!Cas and says this

7x17

Later, when Cas remembers who he is, he immediately tries to leave, then Dean says this

You remember, then you know you did the best you could at the time.

He's angry, couldn't forget what Cas did and yet still defends him...

Then Cas says that he deserves to die and can't possibly fix what he did and why he walked out from that river...

Dean says:

Maybe to fix it.

And gives the trench coat..

After that, they go to Sam and help him. Cas consumed Halucifer and becomes crazy.

In 7x21, he meets Cas again, he's happy, but gets a little distracted by Cas' crazyness. Then there is some kind of fight with Meg because of the word of god. Dean with Cas move to the dining room. And there, after 7x17 where he defended Cas, he again mentions the topic of what Cas did. And in general from 7x21 to 7x23 Dean will simply tolerate Cas.

Plus to mention

Hester:

7x21

You have fallen in every way imaginable.

The very touch of you corrupts.

When Castiel first laid a hand on you in hell, he was lost.

Dean:

7x23

Nobody cares that you're broken, Cas. Clean up your mess.

Sorry, but I'd rather have you. Cursed or not .

Then, they go to kill Dick, and end up in Purgatory.

And so in s8, their whole relationship changes a lot. In 8x01 Dean ripped apart the whole purgatory just to find The Angel. You might think, maybe Dean wants to kill him... Yk, after what Cas did...betrayal, souls, leviathans, broke sam's wall, left Dean with gorilla-wolfes.

But no...he wants to find him, because he needs him, and not for his powers or something, he just NEEDS him...

He needs Cas so much just because...no matter why. He won't leave purgatory without him. He's ready to die and have others die, if only he could get Cas out....

8x01

Where's the Angel?

8x02

I prayed to you Cas, every night

Cas. We're getting out of here. We're going home.

Cas, buddy, I need you.

Let me bottom-line it for you. I'm not leaving here without you. Understand?

8x05

Cas, we're gonna shove your ass back through the eye of that needle...if it kills all three of us.

In 8x07 again the little widower arc begins. He can't forget and accept that Cas didn't get out, he sees him everywhere. he feels guilty because he couldn't save Cas.

Dean: I told you i would get you out. We were there...and it's like you just gave up. it like you didn't believe we could do it. you kept saying you didn't think it would work. did you not trust me?

Cas: Dean...

Dean: I did everything i could to get you out. everything....I did not leave you.

Cas: So you think this was your fault?

Later

Cas: Getting me out of purgatory wasn't your responsibility.

Dean: You didn't get out. So whose fault was it?

Cas: It not about fault. its about will. Dean, do you really not remember?

Dean: I lived, Cas. Okay? I know what happened.

Cas: No...you think you know. you remember it that way you needed to.

Dean: Look, I don't need to feel like hell for failing you, okay? For failing you like i failed every other godforsaken thing i care about. i don't need it.

"I don't need it" he says...this fucker WANTED IT. Otherwise, I don't understand why he tortured himself with guilt for so long, he changed his damn memories just to feel guilty about how he couldn't save Cas, he just loves torturing himself.

In 8x08 and 8x10 nothing much, only thing is that Cas got lobotomized and killed Alfie.

Well in 8x17, I guess you already know.

You heard me didn't you?

The Crypt.

The Bi lighting.

I won't hurt Dean.

WHO'S NAOMI?

Cas, this isn't you. This isn't you....Cas. Cas. I know you're in there. I know you can hear me. Cas, it's me. We're family. We need you. I NEED YOU. I know that you should have said I love you. I know

The way Cas heals Dean.

What broke the connection? I don't know...

In 8x22 just

Bickering.

Dean's mad. You didn't trust me... Me?

Cas goes shopping. I NEED PIE.

8x23

The Bar scene.

So this is it. E.T. Goes home.

Cupid hit two men with her arrow and they fall in love. Dean:🤨😯

And after all that crap, they should have been canon already in s8.

[watching-spn]

another season, another bingo card!

details beneath the cut:

dean teaching cas human things -> yesss like when he helped him with his date (which wasn't a date actually but nvm), but i wish we got to see more of that

cas using a gun -> no gun i think? but a lot of angel blade action

someone goes to hell again -> no hell in season 9 if i recall correctly. good for them

crowley suddenly having a lot of feelings and struggling with that -> omg. so much. i love the exploration of his character and how he handles all these feelings (which he didn't have in a loooong time). amazing

new demon friend -> i though about counting crowley as that ("besties" and stuff yk) but he wouldn't exactly be new right? i was thinking more about "new character who is a demon and somehow a friend"

sam getting a haircut -> i mean, it didn't get much longer? so i guess he had to cut it at some point but it definitely also din't get shorter

cute scenes of dean and cas driving together -> when cas was human we did get a bit of that!

sam doing reckless shit "based on a hunch" -> i gotta say he was pretty thoughtful a lot of the time, gotta give him that

drunk cas -> when they were at that bar! he was so tipsy after one beer i love him

happy ending of the season -> i think this is the happiest we get in this show??? metatron and abaddon defeated, dean didn't actually die (even though sam and cas probably still believe he did). but i guess one of the happier season endings?

death making an appearance -> literally in the first ep of the season when he was in sam's head or whatever

crowley is being forgiven (at least by one person) -> dare i day gavin?? crying crying crying

someone walking in on someone watching porn -> nope, didn't have time for porn with all the saving the world stuff i guess

cas driving a car -> they didn't actually show us, but he did

sam, dean and cas all living in the bunker together -> sadly, cas was away most of the time and when he was there it was just for plotting something. no domestic quality time :(

actual big fat tears -> definitely sam in 9x23 when dead died (again). ouch

cas eating pie -> not pie. BUT pb&j :)

someone we thought was dead coming back -> i was about to say gabriel, but that was 99% just metatron fucking with cas' head :(, but at the start of the season we thought abaddon was dead (at least i did) and she came back

new love interest for sam -> also didn't have time for that one, sorry sammy

vampries -> plenty (for example 8x02)

charlie getting a girlfriend -> no, but maybe she found one in oz <3

new king/queen of hell -> kinda? abaddon was for a while? but not really? because the king is back bitches

metatron dies -> no but that ass is locked up at least

"you have been garthed" -> yes garth. but no "you have been garthed" sadly

no bingo this time :(

but some guesses were right yayy! i love doing these bingo cards, i hope you enjoy my lack of knowledge about this show lmao

[tevanbegins]

We miss Tommy a lot sure and not having him in the episodes sucks, but you guys, we didn't get Karen or any of the kids - Denny, Mara, Jee, Chris, etc. in the past two episodes either.

There was no follow-up on Henren's foster license case. There was no follow-up on what Christopher is upto in Texas or Eddie's thoughts about that awful skype call. There were no substantial couple scenes for Madney even though both Maddie and Chimney are main characters. Tbh, the main focus of these episodes were Bobby and Athena, especially Athena. The others from the main cast too seemed to play more of a supporting role in this plane emergency.

If you consider all of that, not getting Tevan scenes or Buck not mentioning Tommy in 8x02 or 8x03 seems a bit less upsetting. We need to accept that even if there's room to include Pilot Tommy in emergencies, the writers will not give him that hero privilege all the time because he is not a main character and he doesn't work at the 118. We probably will never see him involved in future emergencies to the extent he was in the cruise ship rescue last season. As long as he stays a recurring/guest, this is our fate and it sucks but gotta deal with it. At least we got glimpses of the 217 truck in 8x03 (there was practically no need for it without Tommy, but cool. I hope it flirted some with the 118 truck. 😉)

I am just counting down the days to when we see Tommy next. This Gerrard taking Buck under his wings bit could lead to some interesting storylines, hopefully something good enough for Bucktommy. Crossing my fingers 🤞🏽and hoping for the best 💫 but preparing myself for disappointment too, but praying it doesn't come to that...🙏🏽

[sdwolfpup]

You don't understand though - this is exactly how I felt after 8x02 of Game of Thrones. I just wanted to see my pairing talk to each other a little and then the show kept giving me more and more and then it walloped me with emotion and left me for dead. My brain is whirring. I have thought of little else today but Mythic Quest. 😂

[stagefoureddiediaz]

Costume meta 8x01, 8x02 & 803

Life is incredibly busy for me at the moment, so I’m not able to spend as much time on things like writing Costume meta as I’d like, so, while I am planning on writing a meta for each episode, these are likely to be shorter and I will only be guaranteeing to do Buck and Eddies costumes. Any other character will be entirely dependent on my time and if there is anything interesting to point out! That being said, because I’ve combined the first three episodes into one meta (because they spent most of it in uniform!), it is on the longer side!

So, let’s get this season 8 costume meta show on the road!

Last season I pointed out the show was going heavy on the pink colour coding and suggested it was being employed to signal an overarching theme for the season - innocence and naiveté and the loss thereof. This proved to be correct  and we saw the show weave stories across the season about innocence and naiveté and we then watched characters experience the loss of those things.

So I was intrigued to see what colour they would be using this season and had been contemplating over hiatus what I thought they’d go with. I regret not making a post about it back then, because my thoughts had been focused on orange, and early indicators suggest orange is indeed the colour they’re using - along with a second colour - brown. 

I have spotted a lot of both colours in both episodes of the season so far, and very often they are using a sort of burnt/rusty orange/brown, that combines both colours I’ll be keeping my eye out for both colours in the upcoming episodes as well.

rest below the cut!

Examples of it in these opening two episodes that I’ve spotted are;

The light aircraft had orange and brown detailing on the tail. 

The truck has a brown logo, the driver who ran up to the car on the highway was wearing an orange check shirt, and his co-driver is wearing brown

Tori and her assistant Sheila are wearing orange and brown and Sheila is wearing brown trousers with and orange check when the bees attack. 

Hen’s jacket has a lot of orange and some brown in the plaid, and Denny’s shirt has a dark orange text on it.

Eddie and Buck are wearing brown shirts and Eddie is wearing an orange hat - the orange balloons and streamers are also fairly dominant in the party decorations.

Denis is wearing a light brown zip front hoodie (he also has his orange prison jumpsuit but I’m not including it as its standard prison uniform and would’ve been included regardless!)

Tia is wearing an orange/brown shirt under her white and coloured design jacket

Amy the manager of air traffic control is wearing both brown and orange

the toothbrush Dennis makes a shiv from is orange

several crew members on set are wearing brown

the workman who removes the blade fro the firetruck is wearing brown.

Orange means enthusiasm optimism and emotional strength. It’s also a colour of positivity and progressive thinking as well as creativity and success in endeavours! Orange can also be impatient and can also symbolise insincere personalities or intentions.

Brown meanwhile is stable and reliable, honest and supportive. It is also seen as protective and it is the foundation from which new things can grow. It also means honesty, wisdom and strength and it is a dependable colour. It can also have meanings such as loneness isolation and sadness, as well as being seen as boring or dull.

They are two colours that have intertwined meanings and to me this is suggesting an overarching theme for the season of positive stable progression. The idea of letting go of the past and moving forward. Everyones arc’s so far this season seem to be setting up the exploration of all our mains having to deal with aspects of their past (or connected to their past) be that something that happened to them or their behaviour, something they haven’t let go of that continues to impact them and that is preventing them from being able to progress further than they have. It feels very much like the show is setting itself up for making some changes to things for season 9 onwards (not saying people are leaving I want to make that clear - just that I think we might see some changes to what roles people fill within the show)

Check Theory

Check theory was out in force in these two episodes as well - and it has yet to fail me! The small aircraft pilot,

the truck driver,

the first passenger we see on the plane (whose shirt also happens to be that rusty orange/brown colour), one of the attorneys in LA, Sheila the PA, Amy the air traffic controller, all wearing check patterns along with Hen and Tommy. If you haven’t read my theory before - you can find it here, but basically check generally means the character will be the one in danger in some way (not always physical, it could be emotional) and in the case of the passenger on the plane - he is a signifier for the entire plane being in peril by virtue of being the first passenger we see.

Hen’s check came in a scene where we start to see the jealousy she feels towards Chim and Mara’s relationship (while Karen isn’t reacting to it at all - beyond seeming happy that Mara is happy) and is foreshadowing the upcoming issues with Hen and Chim’s relationship and their fight to get Mara back. the use of two different types of check is perhaps hinting at the fact Hen will be facing issues on two fronts - the Ortiz front and the Chimney/Maddie front. The raw edged denim also helps to play into the idea that Hen is reaching the end of her capacity to deal with things - she is feeling raw and frayed.

Tommy’s check is serving a similar purpose - we get a continuation of Tommys dismissive comments when Buck is telling him something about his life and it is clearly foreshadowing the issues and hurdles Buck and him are going to face. Interestingly the colour of the check is hard to figure out - I'm pretty sure its black, but it looks dark green in some moments and navy blue in others. The black and white colouring in a check pattern is giving us hints - telling us that in the case of Tommy things are very black and white - that there is little nuance to his character.

It's telling us what we see is what we get and that all of his behaviour up to this point can be read for what it is and t hat what it is isn't good because of the check. the other thing about black and white is that it suggests a lack of change - things being black and white in costume terms generally means that the character in that moment a a minimum can be read very plainly - they are how they are and how they have always been.

The fact Tommy is wearing it in a scene discussing Gerrard really is implying that things on that front are going to be black and white and that plays into the theory that it is his problematic past at the 118 (that the show deliberately chose not to address last season) is at least one of the issues that’s going to come up this season and that it is a black and white issue - as in not one with grey areas.

Tommy's blue party hat is also pretty interesting, and telling, blue is very much a Buck colour, its one he wears a lot of - far more than any other colour, this, along with the fact the black check on the shirt appears blue or green depending on the lighting and camera angle, fits with my theory that Tommy is meant to not only be similar to Eddie, but also and alt version of Buck. The fact he is wearing an open shirt over a henley also plays into this theory as they are items of clothing associated with Buck (open shirt) and Eddie (henley). 

Navy blue as a hat colour is an interesting choice to have Tommy wearing in this scene because it is a colour associated with several things, its supposed to be a symbol of peace, commitment and honesty, as well as authority. It also means fragility, depression, impersonality and coldness. 

We saw various shades of navy blue on Buck a lot during his relationship with Taylor - especially during the more fractious periods - moments such as the ily scene - seemingly a moment affirming commitment and honesty, but also revealing the fragility and coldness of their relationship.

So on Tommy it seems to be conveying a similar concept - the juxtaposition of the commitment of Buck and Tommys relationship and the idea that Buck is at peace with himself in relationship terms right now, but it is also revealing the fragility and coldness of the relationship - its supporting the textual clues we get in the scene and setting up Bucks arc for the season and the instability of his relationship with Tommy.

On to Eddie and Buck now we've dealt with the more general costume things!

I’ve already written above about the meaning of brown and how its meaning is stable and reliable, honest and supportive. It is also protective and it is the foundation from which new things can grow. It also means honesty, wisdom and strength. It is a dependable colour. It can also mean loneness isolation and sadness, as well as being seen as boring or dull.

The thing with brown is that it is made up of all of the colours and can therefore have different coloured undertones. In this scene, Bucks shirt is red toned and Eddies is yellow/orange toned and this means we should look to those colours for additional information about the potential meanings.

Eddie

The yellow and orange undertones for Eddie means his brown is connected to communication and enthusiasm as well as the meanings of brown I’ve described above. the meaning that particularly stands out to me in this scene is the idea of support - of being supportive. It’s a theme that plays out in different ways in this scene especially for Eddie and Buck. For Eddie specifically it is the idea of being supportive of what he thinks his son wants - what he i being told his son wants. 

Eddie is trying to communicate with Christopher but Chris is not communicating back - Helena is the one that communicates the information we get about Chris - that he is happy in El Paso and has lots of new friends and is visiting the pool a lot etc. Eddie tries to be supportive of what he is being told, despite it making sure his broken heart stays broken - because he thinks it’s what Chris wants because it is what he’s being told. 

We also have eddies orange party hat - picking up the orange undertones to the t-shirt, it emphasises the emotional strength Eddie has to employ to keep persevering with Chris - even when he is getting barriers thrown up at him. He’s being creative - throwing the party in LA even though he’s not with Chris - trying to make himself a part of things and show Chris that he’s trying to mend the bridge he broke. The orange is also playing the long game with Eddie as well - the lack of orange in the El Paso visuals is telling us that Eddie will be successful in his endeavours - he just needs to be patient and keep trying.

It's also worth noting a couple of things about Eddies clothing - firstly that Eddie is back to wearing slightly oversized tees again - calling back to season 5 and his breakdown and mental health struggles. and secondly the choice of putting him in olive drab cargo pants and his mom in jeans of the same-ish colour (its hard to tell exactly what shade of olive drab they are as the colouring through the computer screen is wildly different!) is an interesting choice - its hinting at where Eddies battles lie - an indication of both going into combat with one another!

Buck

For Buck his brown has reddish undertones (these are much less obvious than the yellows and oranges of Eddies undertones), and there his also the red party hat bringing the red aspect into focus. Red is a symbol of anger, danger, impulsiveness, aggression, passion, sacrifice, and courage. 

Again the concept of support comes into play with the brown - Buck supporting Eddie, being a source of strength and stability at his back, as is visually shown with him never leaving his spot behind Eddie (unlike Tommy who moves away and out of camera in both the video call and the way the scene is shot - its costume and directing working in tandem to relay information about Tommy to the audience). 

The reddish undertones play into the other aspect of the scene - the conversation (if yo can call it that) between Buck and Tommy - its foreshadowing Bucks anger towards Gerrard later in the episode, and also his impulsive and courageous actions to save Gerrard. I think the honesty and wisdom of brown is also important here as well. Buck may be questioning his motives and actions - if he intended to hurt Gerrard or save him, but the brown is giving him stability and suggests that ultimately he will figure things out in a positive direction.

I do want to quickly talk about the fit of Bucks shirt as well, because it is important in relation to what we've seen with Bucks costuming across the seasons and from the bts pictures we've had from Oliver showing a couple of Bucks costumes for upcoming episodes. The fit of this shirt is really really good on Buck and that is important.

I spoke quite a lot in my season 6 and season 7 meta's about the fit of Bucks clothing - in particular his trousers, but in his tops as well, how we've seen his clothing seemingly shrink and become to tight, right through to ill fitting and slightly oversized clothing.

The wardrobe department have been clearly showing Bucks character growth through the fit of his clothes - to tight and too short in the leg when he's uncomfortable and has outgrown his current situation - playing into the idea that Buck is trying to make himself smaller - make himself fit inside a skin that doesn't really represent or fit him any longer.

Then we've had the other extreme where his clothing is baggy and ill fitting - suggesting he doesn't fit in to the new him he's trying on - it is a perfect way to visually show that Buck is growing but not yet comfortable or at ease with this new version of himself.

His clothing settled into fairly well fitting through the latter half of season 7, and it was really interesting to see which scenes he was dressed slightly oversized or slightly too small in. Interestingly we tend to see clothes being slightly oversized now with Eddie and pushing towards too tight with in Tommy scenes, the ones where there is cross over (such as the greyish brown and light blue vertical stripes which we saw in scenes with both the fire fam and Tommy) we tend to get a good fit.

Right now we're in a period where Buck is the most content within himself that he as been and this brown shirt echoes that. It fits him well and it is a scene which features both Eddie and Tommy. WE know that we're going to see Buck wearing a range of fits of clothing, the up coming golf scene with Gerrard for example has a return of the fit being too tight and too short in the leg- emphasising Bucks discomfort. It will be really interesting to see which way things play out when it comes to costumes soley associated with Tommy, compared with costumes that are connected to Eddie or connected to the wider fire fam. I'm not quite prepared to pin my colours to the mast on this front just yet, but I do think we'll either see a slow shrinkage connected to Tommy and things being sightly oversized when it comes to Eddie - as a way of exploring his diminishing feelings for Tommy and expanding knowledge of his feelings for Eddie, or we'll see the reverse - oversized with Tommy as the relationship starts to run into problems (in much the same way we saw Eddies oversized clothing during his break down in s5 and now again in s8 connecting to Christopher's absence and his struggles with that) and to small with Eddie as a sign Buck no longer fits into the status of their relationship - that his feelings for Eddie don't fit the concept of friend any longer - that they are more than simply friendly.

So yeah - its going to be very interesting to see which way it plays out!

I'm finishing here as I'm already so much later posting this than I intended (thanks tumblr for being a pain and not letting me upload pictures into this post no matter how many times I recreated it - but I won the fight in the end!) hopefully 804's meta won't take so long or be such a technological pain!

I'm not tagging anyone this time as I didn't have time to ask if anyone wanted tagging in my costume metas - so this is your chance - if you'd like to be tagged in future costume metas for s8 - please drop me comment and I'll include you in the 804 meta!

Thanks for reading and I hope you enjoyed - its good to be back talking costumes! 💜💜💜

[bucksdaffy]

re: tommy and his involvement in the S8 opening disaster

we obviously haven't seen the final part of the premiere yet, and we have no way of knowing if tommy's involved in the rescue in any capacity. however, i think we can safely assume that he is not landing the plane (which, after watching 8x02, i can't say i'm disappointed about) or assisting with the landing from the ground. 911 is a show that, while dramatic, remains grounded in reality. it bases the emergency calls on real-life events, though amped up for entertainment purposes.

tommy is a pilot, yes, but we don't know for sure if he flies both helicopters and planes. even if he knows how to land a commercial plane, that's great—but why choose a random firefighter, who may only be slightly familiar with the process, over an expert in the field? i love the theory, but it was far-fetched from the start, given that 911 isn't, as some might believe, that unrealistic in the events it portrays.

i think IF tommy is involved, the best-case scenario is that his primary role will be connected to buck (let's keep in mind that tommy isn’t a main character; he is a supporting character whose primary role is to serve as a love interest for one of the main characters. while he exists as a character in his own right, separate from buck, his role primarily centers on being buck’s love interest, whether we like it or not). i think he might worry because when the 118 arrives at the scene, buck's nowhere to be found, and then he learns he's on the highway with bobby while the plane is coming straight at them. once the plane has landed and everything is more or less under control, he and buck will reunite and that will likely be the extent of it. this is what i hope to see, but i'm ready for the possibility that i might be setting myself up for disappointment.

if tommy is involved but his role isn't connected to buck, i would expect him to be in the background, simply doing his job. then, if the show includes scenes centered around individual main characters, we may see him interact with buck in relation to their relationship.

i think these are the most plausible options for tommy in the 8x03. there is also a possibility that he won't appear in that episode at all (or that he will appear only in the individual scene with buck), but personally, i think it would be a strange choice, given that 217 is at the scene.

unless we don't see him next week, i can't say i'm disappointed with how this opening disaster has played out. i thought i would be, but after seeing 8x02, i realized it's much better this way. i love the idea of tommy helping to land the plane, and i beg my fellow fanfiction writers to make the best of this concept. i think it would work great in fanon, but i don't think it would translate effectively to canon, especially now.

this is not the buck and tommy show; it's 911. and once again, tommy is not a main character; he's a recurring love interest. buck and tommy's romance has only just begun, and they're still in the early stages of their relationship. we need them to build that connection, and the writers need to make the GA care more about (buck)tommy before we can get some gut-wrenching, heartfelt moments similar to those bobby and athena have. for now, we might get only small parallels, if anything, and that's okay. we need time to get to the big moments so that they can hit harder.

why create a plane disaster and not involve buck's hot pilot boyfriend in a significant way? well, perhaps the opening disaster is meant to set the tone for S8, suggesting that we’ll see more air rescues in the future. it might also serve as an opportunity to introduce us to the 217 team, allowing us to get to know one or two of tommy’s coworkers who could come in handy as the show progresses. it could also foreshadow a significant event later in the season involving buck and tommy, such as a helicopter crash. maybe tim also wanted to give buck and tommy the chance to work on the same call together? or perhaps he simply thought it would be exciting for 9-1-1 to tackle a plane disaster, without any specific implications for our favourite pairing.

either way i do think that as the show progresses, we'll see tommy become more involved, not only in his relationship with buck but also in the central dynamics of the show with the other characters. we just need to give it time and have trust—rome wasn't built in a day, after all. let's just appreciate what we have now and avoid being greedy. i think tim's doing a great job so far of balancing everything for the audience. as fans of the show, i think we should be grateful for that.

[eddiegettingshot]

okay I sent the og haterism anon and yeah thats basically why it was last week for me. like the resolution was that eddie realized chris wasnt that happy and said you're leaving your grandparents house because I said so. and we couldn't have done that in 8a. okay... (i realize the halloween related network interference + making 8x02 two episodes was a big part of everything in 8a being moved around and probably impacted the eddiechris plot the most. but. they still did hotshots and wannabes.). obviously you dont have to respond to this bc Im just ranting now lol just Ive felt crazy for a week over so many people liking the resolution last week (which I thought WAS good in isolation. but not in the bigger picture of s7/s8) when Im just like. oh so eddie could have said chris come home anytime in 8a and that would have been it ? I get he didnt know. but then I just get frustrated about the whole thing again lol. I do get some of the eddie specific skill stuff in the emergency this week making it worse though as opposed last week which was a happy ending for him and chris . hopeful that hes around next week and that the whole 2 parter will feel a little less eddieless once we have both parts but we will see.. hope you have a good day tomorrow despite no eddie today <3

yeah i think there’s one level where it’s like, okay the execution isn’t nonsensical on a character level, i understand what they’re doing, and like i said before it’s even made me appreciate eddie as a character more. and then there’s another level where it literally just didn’t need to happen like this and while i was feeling very tolerant for a while at this point i could not be more over it and i also feel like on a bigger scale the pacing is SO off. even if the storyline had to extend across this many episodes it could have been given more room to breathe, addressed in a different way, etc. maybe next week will change my opinion i could always be wrong but this was annoying. thx for always talking to me <3